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GrandpaVegas

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Copy, disclose (including, for example, by posting on any social media, blog, message board or other public forum), transmit or otherwise make available, or remove or alter, any of the content or material that is made available on or through OLG.ca;. Hi,I've found in wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/ the best strategy for Ultimate Texas Hold'em, but I would like to know how to adapt it when.

I bet quarters and play the perfect strategy as the strategy tables show. I never play trips and bet 4x 2x and 1x where appropriate. What should this equate to in money bet per hour? I am making the assumption that for every $1250 I put in action I can only expect a return of $1225 after the fullness of time and the 2% hold levels out. Many times the dealer forgets they didn't qualify and you get paid on your ante bet. Well if you get paid on the ante when it should have been a push, doesn't that one little mistake make up the 2% for $1250 worth of action.
I guess my questions are
1) Approximately how long do you have to play quarters to generate $1250 in action. Just looking for a ball park number as I realize the dealer and the number of players at the table greatly effect the pace of play.
2) On bigger mistakes like when you bet 4x and lose and the dealer misreads and pays you and you win $125 instead of losing $150 doesn't this $275 swing destroy the house 2% edge.
Seems to me the game is beatable because of the high volume of dealer mistakes that take place. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.
Grandpa Vegas
AxiomOfChoice

I bet quarters and play the perfect strategy as the strategy tables show. I never play trips and bet 4x 2x and 1x where appropriate. What should this equate to in money bet per hour? I am making the assumption that for every $1250 I put in action I can only expect a return of $1225 after the fullness of time and the 2% hold levels out. Many times the dealer forgets they didn't qualify and you get paid on your ante bet. Well if you get paid on the ante when it should have been a push, doesn't that one little mistake make up the 2% for $1250 worth of action.
I guess my questions are
1) Approximately how long do you have to play quarters to generate $1250 in action. Just looking for a ball park number as I realize the dealer and the number of players at the table greatly effect the pace of play.
2) On bigger mistakes like when you bet 4x and lose and the dealer misreads and pays you and you win $125 instead of losing $150 doesn't this $275 swing destroy the house 2% edge.
Seems to me the game is beatable because of the high volume of dealer mistakes that take place. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.
Grandpa Vegas


I have no idea what you mean by 'hold'. The house edge is a lot lower than 2%, and it's based on the percentage of ante bets, not total action, so it is easier to calculate.
Dealer mistakes are common, you are right. If they pay the ante instead of pushing it 1-2x per hour you are breaking even or beating the game, before comps. If you have a dealer who can't read the board (which was common when the game first became popular -- a lot of non-poker-player dealers were clueless) it can be a goldmine.
MathExtremist

2) On bigger mistakes like when you bet 4x and lose and the dealer misreads and pays you and you win $125 instead of losing $150 doesn't this $275 swing destroy the house 2% edge.


You can answer that question with the Wizard's numbers from the website. Dump them into a spreadsheet and for every line item you care about, change the average value to account for dealer mistakes. The new value will reflect the house edge under the assumed conditions (including your optimal play and dealer mistakes). If it's positive, well...Game
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I bet quarters and play the perfect strategy as the strategy tables show. I never play trips and bet 4x 2x and 1x where appropriate. What should this equate to in money bet per hour? I am making the assumption that for every $1250 I put in action I can only expect a return of $1225 after the fullness of time and the 2% hold levels out. Many times the dealer forgets they didn't qualify and you get paid on your ante bet. Well if you get paid on the ante when it should have been a push, doesn't that one little mistake make up the 2% for $1250 worth of action.
I guess my questions are
1) Approximately how long do you have to play quarters to generate $1250 in action. Just looking for a ball park number as I realize the dealer and the number of players at the table greatly effect the pace of play.
2) On bigger mistakes like when you bet 4x and lose and the dealer misreads and pays you and you win $125 instead of losing $150 doesn't this $275 swing destroy the house 2% edge.
Seems to me the game is beatable because of the high volume of dealer mistakes that take place. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.
Grandpa Vegas


FWIW, Harrah's LV is extremely concerned about exactly this and watching their hold carefully. With the addition of the in-house cross-platform 6 card bet, the dealer errors have become endemic, the game has slowed badly, and the only thing saving the game is that most people are scared to bet it properly and cut themselves out of taking full advantage. It's possible they'll work through it, but 3 weeks ago they were having a cow. (Don't think I'm giving anything away; they were openly discusssing the situation in front of the table several times over the week I was playing.)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
geoff

I have no idea what you mean by 'hold'. The house edge is a lot lower than 2%, and it's based on the percentage of ante bets, not total action, so it is easier to calculate.


The hold is the amount a player leaves behind on average for a game. For a game like blackjack or texas hold 'em where people can not know the strategy the hold can be a lot larger than the edge.
98Clubs
The House advantage is 2.2% upon the average wager. The Wizard has calculated that optimal strategy will wager about 4.15 units per hand. This equates to about 0.53% per unit wagered (Element of Risk).
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onenickelmiracle
The dealers can definitely bring in money getting novices to bet this game, but I doubt they come back. My local mountaineer got rid of it after 7 years but I don't know why.
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AxiomOfChoice

The hold is the amount a player leaves behind on average for a game. For a game like blackjack or texas hold 'em where people can not know the strategy the hold can be a lot larger than the edge.


I know what hold means :) But I don't think that's what he meant by the term in this context.
AxiomOfChoice

The House advantage is 2.2% upon the average wager. The Wizard has calculated that optimal strategy will wager about 4.15 units per hand. This equates to about 0.53% per unit wagered (Element of Risk).


Oh, I guess I was wrong. For some reason I thought that the HE was 1.4%. Not sure where I got that number from.Ultimate
EoR is not a useful measure here. Just multiply HE by your average ante size, and multiply that by number of hands per hour.
GrandpaVegas
I thought I read somewhere that the casino edge was 2% if you were playing perfect strategy. Is it higher or lower or 2%? Also does anybody know what how many hands you can expect to get in an hour on average. I do realize that there is a huge difference between an empty table and a full one.

Ultimate Texas Holdem For Free

The game is entirely different and therefore, requires a unique approach and strategy. You are not trying to win against your fellow players. Also, there is no reason to bluff because either neither you nor the dealer has the power to affect any outcome.An effective Ultimate Texas Holdem Strategy would be as follows:If you make a high payout by making a pre-flop play bet, you can bet 4x your Ante, but you need to have good hole cards. There are some hole cards which you should raise in the pre-flop. They include; a suited jack with 8 or higher, unsuited king and a 5 or higher, unsuited king with any card, a pair of 3 or higher, suite queen with a 6 or higher, a suited king with any card, a hand with an ace, and unsuited queen with 8 or higher. Although hole cards may sometimes turn into winnings, it is recommended not to raise the bet on pre-flop.